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Post by jp on Oct 3, 2003 3:19:58 GMT
Damn, both those guys are incredible guitar players. How did they get so good? Anyone know where they learned how to play like that? I've been playing for about a year and a half, mostly playing old Metallica riffs (very little lead). If I could be half as good as these guys I would die a happy man. Any tips?
Thanks.
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Post by BangYouAreDead on Oct 3, 2003 6:23:37 GMT
In a post by Mike Banfield (on another thread) in this discussion forum... he mentions the likes of Nels Cline and Hans Reichel. So, I would venture to say that those would be influences. As far as Ian or Damon (or any of the assorted miscellaneous bassists they've had throughout).... I couldn't tell ya! Although I'm pretty sure I've seen a post by Ian Williams on the Electrical Audio discussion forum about metal. He listed a few bands... so I guess he's into that... not sure though.
Cheers!
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Post by banfield on Oct 7, 2003 1:18:35 GMT
I wouldn't necessarily say that those two guys are influences, just great guitar players that I love to listen to. My biggest influences were probably Black Flag, the Melvins, and King Crimson. Always thought Rapeman and Bastro were great. The list of bands/musicians that I enjoy listening to could really go on and on: John McLaughlin/Mahavishnu Orchestra, Thelonious Monk, Steve Reich, John Cage, Sonic Youth.... Lately I've had this strange fascination with the second Stone Temple Pilots record....Hmmm, go figure that one out....
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Post by XBangyrdead on Oct 7, 2003 2:15:30 GMT
That's funny!
I was actually on my own little STP kick about a year ago. I've always dug that guys guitar sound, and the rest of the band compliment eachother well. It sounds great when Weiland does his vocals w/ a megaphone.. ha!
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Post by troutbot on Oct 8, 2003 10:55:08 GMT
I wouldn't necessarily say that those two guys are influences, just great guitar players that I love to listen to. My biggest influences were probably Black Flag, the Melvins, and King Crimson. Always thought Rapeman and Bastro were great. The list of bands/musicians that I enjoy listening to could really go on and on: John McLaughlin/Mahavishnu Orchestra, Thelonious Monk, Steve Reich, John Cage, Sonic Youth.... Lately I've had this strange fascination with the second Stone Temple Pilots record....Hmmm, go figure that one out.... Woohoo Melvins!!! ;D |
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Post by streb on Oct 9, 2003 7:45:41 GMT
I was gonna say, somebody would have HAD to pick out the King Crimson influence. How old are most of the folks here....?
Take a listen to the last song on Don Cab II, then go listen to King Crimson's Lark's Tongues in Aspic....
I was also gonna say that there's alot of that early 90s indie rock running thru the mix, too. Bastro, Hurl, Slint, so on...
Although you gotta tip your hat to the fact that each Don Cab record just goes further and further out from the previous one. The influences start to blur after the second record. I saw them in Atlanta in like, '93, and later on down the line, they started pulling out that tapping shit and a little double-bass drum here and there, and if it were ANYBODY ELSE, I would think it was hokey as shit. A really special band if you ax me.
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Post by troutbot on Oct 9, 2003 10:24:27 GMT
Definitely man. For me Don Cab were a band who seemed to carve out their own niche and could take their influences and just simply make music that sounded like Don Caballero, like no-one else I'd heard.
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Post by streb on Oct 10, 2003 8:51:08 GMT
Yeah, but to me, "What Burns.." was the pinnacle of the band's achievements. I think it's the most fully realised record of theirs, considering where they come from. American Don is really fuckin' good too, but it loses me at times. I think it's fascinating the way they ended up using that delay/looping pedal for the guitar, but I always come back to the idea that using too much of that kind of technology can never be a replacement for the experience of having a real person playing those parts in an ensemble situation. I just don't wanna hear that album ten years from now and think, "Oh yeah, I remember when that Korg pedal came out...". I ain't saying it's a gimmick, i just think that the best music that stands the test of time isn't held back by the technology that was available at it's inception.
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Post by Tetragrammatn on Oct 11, 2003 4:45:26 GMT
I don't think I agree with your logic there. The way Ian uses the pedals isn't really gimmicky... and I'm pretty sure most of the music I listen to uses some types of distortion pedals. I think American Don is much more interesting for using those overdubs than it would have been with a second guitarist. It just gives a different vibe; maybe I like it more because it hasn't been done quite like that before.
And although this is probably sacreligious or whatever, I started listening to Don Cab with American Don, and I still like that album more than any others. Sorry Mr. Banfield, you're pretty cool, though.
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Post by lunchboxface on Oct 13, 2003 8:36:00 GMT
I feel like 2, What Burns, and American Don are all genius, with What Burns and American Don being a step above in terms of music and originality, and American Don taking the prize for triumph in the face of adversity. What Burns draws from a larger stylistic palate, but aside from that I find the last two records equally good.
I've also noticed that with American Don, I can get a completely different experience from different stereo systems and EQ settings. I'm a little obsessive maybe.
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Post by XBangyrdead on Oct 13, 2003 21:46:48 GMT
As far as the sampling and guitar effects on American Don are concerned... I don't feel that it's wrong to utilize technology that is available to you, especially when it comes to music and songwriting. I'm glad Ian chose to take it a step further. If he can go beyond the call of duty, and has ideas for three different guitar lines at once (rather than just one)... more power to him. That to me is vision. He has the capacity to be a one man guitar band... and he demonstrates that superbly on American Don. Not saying that Banfield didn't add his two cents, because he certainly did while he was in the band. No one can argue that. What else was Ian supposed to do to express his ideas (on American Don), except to use that wonderful pedal.
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