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Post by xtrizeme on Sept 27, 2005 6:15:46 GMT
Somewhere there was an interview with Che naming a couple of influences which I had always wanted to read because I just couldn't imagine who Che might have been influenced by. He gave a couple of names(Mac McNeilly, Alex Van Halen) that I didn't really see as giving much insight into what I've always perceived to be the strangeness of the Che sound, but he listed Stewart Copeland from the Police and it kind of intrigued me. I liked a lot of Police stuff as a kid, was a bit turned off by the Sting-ness of a lot of their stuff as I got more discerning, had slowly been appreciating more of their stuff over time, but had never been a huge fan. So every time I heard a Police song I'd tune in curiously and would just be amazed. Copeland is just nuts to me. He'll hold an entire song together with bass and hi-hat, place snare and cymbal in the weirdest places(rockingly, I might add) and I can definitely say I've never heard a drummer with a more unconventionally virtuoso approach to rock drumming(besides Che). Fills, double-bass, triplets, rudiments, odd-meter, whatever; you can master all that through practice, but reinventing the beat...that's cool. Anyway, I thought that was interesting. Not to be a drum wanker or anything, that was just the only time I ever heard another drummer and thought, "That's where Che got that!" And I think his drumming is special too. Try to build an immunity from Sting and re-check it out.
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Post by asristir on Sept 27, 2005 7:56:17 GMT
Saw Copeland play with Oysterhead. Other than the fact that his time keeping was solid, nothing special. From all I've heard from Police... equally nothing special. Lite rock. A sober Tim Soete could eat that guy for breakfast. Also, Cope didn't improvise at all. Everything you heard live was already pounded into your ears via the album.
Is there a website with pictures of the odd faces drummers make?
Damon Che didn't officially study music, correct? Teaching yourself an instrument has some freeing qualities.
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Post by xtrizeme on Sept 29, 2005 3:24:21 GMT
Look, I know you're mad because you like the Mars Volta and everything, but don't overblow things. Che is totally an amazingly talented musician, and I've had to explain to countless people how it's possible that a drummer could be "genius". I just thought it was kind of "epiphanous(a word surely used in every other Mars Volta song to project the image of a thinking person's rock band)" that Che listed this guy who's really overlooked outside of the Modern Drummer community as one of his influences. I am definitely not lauding this guy as the drummer that Che is, but giving him some acknowledgement as one of "80's Pop's" few revolutionary musicians. And if you listen to some of the inversion of technique that Copeland uses, you can definitely hear it in Che's playing. And that's what was really amazing to me: the fact that I could finally hear a Che influence, because he's such a phenomenally unique musician that it's really hard to attach anything identifiable to him. So to sum up: 1)Damon Che did not copy Stewart Copeland, nor is Stewart Copeland near the drummer/artist Damon Che is. 2) Asristir likes the Mars Volta(and will, hopefully, one day be embarrassed by that fact).
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Post by asristir on Sept 29, 2005 7:02:28 GMT
Che is totally an amazingly talented musician It's pretty cool that we can agree! And we don't even have to try very hard! Cope isn't overlooked where I am. Lots of musicians and fans give him top props. I differ there. What is there to copy, y'know? But I'd be lucky if my drummer could play as well. As it is he has trouble with overlapping meters. I definitely agree with your 1) statement. Sorry to nitpick, but your use of commas in the paranthesized part of the 2) comment is incorrect. Either use subparantheses, or ditch the commas altogether.  |
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Post by FauxAssNonsense on Sept 29, 2005 22:08:14 GMT
actually, his use of the word "hopefully" was incorrect, too.
that is a commonly mis-used word.
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Post by xtrizeme on Oct 1, 2005 5:39:36 GMT
Asristir and FauxAssNonsense,
I really don't care what anyone thinks about my musical opinions(because I know they're right), but you guys have touched upon an insecurity with the punctuation business. I've started doing a little bit of paid writing, and I'm really sensitive to punctuation criticism because 1) I know it's important, and 2) I know I suck at it. But in honest response, I don't think sub-parentheses are very readable, and I don't think I misused hopefully. Are you serious? I'm not a big rules guy... But what rule did I break? Please tell me. Please.
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Post by dalyzach on Oct 2, 2005 1:13:55 GMT
To my ears, Alex Van Halen is the biggest influence on Damon's drumming, not only musically but also sonically, like the way he tuned his snare drum on the great early VH records and his ride cymbal sound. Listen to "Girl Gone Bad" (later covered by Thee Speaking Canaries of course) and marvel at all the Don Cab drum licks AVH cranked out a whole decade before "For Respect" was recorded.
Somebody said Damon learned a lot of his technique from the instructional video "Bill Bruford & the Beat" though I have yet to verify this for myself.
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Post by ShawnPhase on Oct 2, 2005 6:59:24 GMT
ghost stroke in the house. that's what its all about. how many times ou can hit a drum.
what kind of influences do you think zach hill has?
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Post by FauxAssNonsense on Oct 2, 2005 12:07:03 GMT
or Brian Chippendale.
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Post by asristir on Oct 3, 2005 8:49:52 GMT
I really don't care what anyone thinks about my musical opinions It is more and more uncommon to meet with this level of opionated conceit among my 'friends'. If someone dislikes what they hear they say "It's okay...." just to avoid hurting people's feelings. Cuz ya know if you can't stand the Fucking Champs, it totally messes with my head, bro. Right on, X. Express yo delf. According to Hill, he doesn't play, he 'channels'. So... he's possessed. Anyone read his book? Chippendale totally reminds me of John Bonham for some reason. Maybe just the sheer force he pummels his kit with. His playing is so fucking ferocious. |
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Post by dalyzach on Sept 24, 2007 2:49:55 GMT
In a Stewart Copeland article in Drum magazine, Damon offers some glowing praise for Copeland: Read the whole thing on Sting's official site: www.sting.com/news/interview.php?uid=5465ALSO: The most interesting and pertinent parts of "Bill Bruford & The Beat" are up on YouTube for your enjoyment. There's a part of his solo in which Bill plays syncopated ride / snare patterns against double kick drum sixteenths* that surely made quite an impression on a young Damon. * actually right foot on acoustic bass drum and left foot on electronic bass drum. Gotta love those Simmons drums! |
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Post by ShawnPhase on Sept 24, 2007 21:32:48 GMT
www.marcominnemann.comthis guy is unreal and probably the best that's around right now...i think the top of the game is him, che, tim soete, zach hill, sebastian...cant ask for better than those dudes.
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Post by mada on Sept 25, 2007 2:03:22 GMT
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Post by ShawnPhase on Sept 25, 2007 7:42:04 GMT
he's invented a system called 'interdependence'..its seriously awesome stuff. i've switched to using two sets of hihats now...but that guy uses 4, its just nuts. take a look. ahaha  |
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Post by mada on Sept 26, 2007 2:32:24 GMT
jesus h christ. how can he even keep track of where his feet are? he's a gifted ass dude
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