asristir
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Post by asristir on Nov 4, 2005 11:13:35 GMT
I think California is a pretty ingenious record but it is very very very far from the record I think is most listenable. There's a certain amazingness in minimalism people, there's more to music than trying to fit in the most shit in the least amount of time possible. About California, right on, but I disagree. You are dictating taste. We all have seperate tastes, though they may be related. I tend to enjoy music that tells a complex story in a simple way- progressive music rules! May I ask what you prefer about minimalistic music? Or does that belong in another thread?
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 4, 2005 13:49:39 GMT
Bungle owe a lot to Naked City. I don't think you can justify what you're saying when you say that Naked City are an extension of jazz. You can't really knock Zorn. His output is huge. Bungle are like a speck of dust compared to Zorn. Yes, Bungle have used ideas similar to Zorn and Naked City, much the same way Led Zeppelin used the ideas of american blues. They took the intent and went somewhere completely other with it. Naked City, when I listen to their music, sounds to me like an assload of improv with cued style changes- much like jazz, but with lots more wild energy, plus (or minus, depending how you feel about it) the tuneless screaming of Bore guy. I am trying to say, it feels closer to jazz to my ears... however I am fairly young and untutored, so my 'feelings' may be errant to the more knowledgable. Mr Bungle utilized recognizable verse-prechorus-chorus-bridge rock progressions, most noticeably on the album California. They were, according to their WB bio, a rock band pretending to have roots in rock music. Ha ha. They feel closer to rock music to me. While I do not particularly enjoy Zorn's music- if it says Tzadik on the label, that means 'musical vomit/hell' to me- I understand that he is a talented composer and lots of people admire his work. It just isn't for me. Shit like Hemophiliac doesn't awe me, it repels me. Maybe some day I will learn to like it. 'Til then... it will remain music that attempts to take me somewhere I have no interest in going. Much like electroacoustics. As far as I know, Naked City played notated compositions. I'm not a big fan of the music on Tzadik, there are a few gems though. Hemophilliac doesn't awe me either, but Spillane, Redbird, The Gift & Rituals do. I get the impression that you've heard Stuff like Painkiller and written him off. But anyway, enough about that. Nobody has mentioned Trout Mask Replica, so yeah; Captain Beefheart - Trout Mask Replica.
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Post by FauxAssNonsense on Nov 4, 2005 21:25:43 GMT
hey, now, there's some fab stuff on Tzadik. Naked City is pretty great, of course, and Zorn's own work. Ruins? noone? surprising.
there is admittedly some pretty lame stuff (Afrirampo?), but whatever.
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asristir
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Post by asristir on Nov 4, 2005 21:44:06 GMT
As far as I know, Naked City played notated compositions.Hemophilliac doesn't awe me either, but Spillane, Redbird, The Gift & Rituals do. I get the impression that you've heard Stuff like Painkiller and written him off. Yeah, Zorn writes everything out. Which makes it weird when you listen to it and it all sounds so decomposed. I will check out Spillane etc., and perhaps my ears will be opened. Thanks! But if it's more of that musical hell stuff....
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Post by asristir on Nov 4, 2005 21:53:41 GMT
hey, now, there's some fab stuff on Tzadik. Naked City is pretty great, of course, and Zorn's own work. Ruins? noone? Share your fav Tzadik stuff with me, please! Everything I've ever heard on that label has been randomnoise boringhell. Yet I know that many people who get all excited when Tzadik spews out another like 50 albums. Maybe, by the ratio of number of albums to actual good stuffs, I've just hit duds every time. Please, guide my blind grasping for neu music! Ruins are ok on record. They must be stellar onstage... or just plain weird!
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Post by FauxAssNonsense on Nov 4, 2005 22:03:05 GMT
Hyderomastgroningem by Ruins is on Tzadik.
i saw Yoshida living doing "Ruins Alone" and it was amazing.
check out Magick and Chimeras by Zorn if you like chamber music stuff.
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Post by dbo on Nov 6, 2005 8:59:10 GMT
i personally would cut off my dick to have a world without mike patton. it's nearly impossible to take mr bungle seriously, or any of patton's bands/contributions either. even faith no more is a stretch. mike patton, to me, is the music world's dennis rodman. weird guy, but most people forgot about him after 1996.
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Post by asristir on Nov 7, 2005 21:28:55 GMT
i personally would cut off my dick to have a world without mike patton. it's nearly impossible to take mr bungle seriously. even faith no more is a stretch. There is definitely method to Bungle's madness. Don't feel left out if you don't get it. Many of their 'fans' never got past the poopoo humour on the first couple of albums. On the third things picked way up- go look at the lyrics to Vanity Fair- they apply to you, mein freund. Self castration isn't the answer! Patton likes to try new things.. he's like the Van Halen of vocals, he'll try anything and is recognizable no matter where he pops up- even his heavy breathing on Medulla is a dead giveaway. Some of his work doesn't grab me- (Hemophiliac, Onibaba, Tomahawk, Faith No More), but the man has talent, passion, and imagination. Three things many vocalists lack, imo. What kinds of vocalists do you like?
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Post by hospitalcomedian on Nov 8, 2005 22:02:22 GMT
animal collective are great at vocals. eugene robinson (i think that's his name) from oxbow is interesting in a good way. tom waits is a hero. i like to sing when i'm drunk. i'm not very good.
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Post by withpleasure on Nov 15, 2005 1:28:38 GMT
Interesting how many on this board extend in the Bungle direction. I like the Naked City record, I guess, but this is hardly my preferred avenue from Don Caballero.
The kernel of Canaries (and to some extent, Don Cab) is the truly, subtly heavy. The sustain and middle.
I seem to loosely group the Canaries' records with these: Shudder to Think - Pony Express Record Unwound's New Plastic Ideas Juno - Future Lived in Past Tense Dinosaur Jr. - Bug Husker Du - Zen Arcade Giants Chair - Red and Clear (v strong recommendation) Glifted - Under and In
Laddio Bolocko - Life and Times of... is very good for those who liked Don Cab but haven't liked much from that style of music since
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Post by cliff on Nov 15, 2005 23:45:00 GMT
I have never heard Mr. Bungle or Naked City/Zorn...
I think I can learn a lot from this thread!
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Post by xtrizeme on Apr 25, 2006 5:06:48 GMT
The supposed genius of "Troutmask Replica" is bullshit. It's fucking ostentatiously strange nonsense. There was a dude with no teeth, who was bleeding all over, spending all his money at my bar, who was trying to replenish himself for the 15 miles he had still to walk to see his friend at the hospital(that he asked me for directions to incidentally),after he'd been released a day before him in a head-on accident nearly equaling death. That's what "Troutmask Replica" sounds like. Pure insanity without inspiration. I mean if homeless people had a jerkoff, Bruce Springsteen-like voice, it would be Captain Beefheart." The entire legacy of Captain Beefheart is leftover 60's-70's rubbish. It's cool that somebody was weird enough to be like that back then, but it doesn't make anything genius. It just makes it different. But it's really hard to turn hippie-bullshit into genius, no matter how different it is. People that claim that "Trout Mask Replica" is a great album just need to admit that they think they're great because they think they"truly understand" acid. You are all fucking lame. 10 Best Albums 1)Speaking Canaries(Get Out Alive/Long Version) 2)Speaking Canaries(Songs for the Terrestrially Challenged) 3)Jim O' Rourke(Bad Timing) 4)Spiritualized(Laser Guided Melodies) 5)Dazzling Killmen(Face of Collapse) 6)Kraftwerk(Radioactivity) 7)Gastr Del Sol(Crookt, Crakt, or Fly) 8)Don Caballero(For Respect) 9)Sonic Youth(Daydream Nation) 10)Coldplay(Buttfucking in a Wizard of Oz Balloon) Xtrizeme
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Post by ShawnPhase on Apr 28, 2006 19:59:07 GMT
xtrizeme, have i ever told you that i love you with the fire of 10,000 hellish banes? fucking hilarious.
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Post by Bungle on May 16, 2006 7:35:10 GMT
What's not to like about a band with Trevor Dunn in it.... Well maybe the other musicians, not usually the case though. Bungle = phenomenal
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Post by hospitalcomedian on Jun 26, 2006 18:36:01 GMT
can anyone burn me a copy of get out alive: long version and post it to me in ireland? it's hard as fuck to get some stuff over here. i'd pay the costs or even make a fantastic compilation as payment. any takers?
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