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Post by brikelly on Jan 6, 2004 17:44:23 GMT
I know there's gotta be quite a few drummers on this board, along with the ones I know of already!
I want to talk about equipment, sticks, tuning, trying to learn to play Damon Che parts, etc...
I'll start:
- I play a D.W. Pacific LX 5-piece kit (bass: 22, toms: 10x12x14), very good boomy sound for small-ish cans
- My snare is a Pork Pie piccolo, which I adore
- Sabian AAX cymbals - the hihats suck ass though, way too heavy and noisy when played open
- I'm trying to learn double bass using a Premier pedal - but I think the pedal is terrible. My D.W. single pedal is a delight to use, but I just can't get any "feel" on the double pedal. Any recommendations?
- Using 5A Vic Firths at the moment
- I use "Metrophones" to play along with CDs - water-filled isolation headphones that have a metronome built in. Very, very quiet, but a tad tight on the ears after an hour
- I suck at tuning, but I just bought new Remo uncoated skins (hated my last skins - Evans coated) and a torque-tuner thingy by Neary, so maybe things will get better
- I love playing along to "In the absence...", "June is finally here", "Room temperature suite" and "Slice Where you live" (although I need to get a cowbell)
What about your good selves?
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ICEMAN
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Post by ICEMAN on Jan 6, 2004 21:29:25 GMT
I have a 4 piece set. I don't even know what kind it is. I don't know what kind of cymbals either. The only thing I remember is using Remo Ambassador Coated heads. I'm not real great at tuning either.
I tried to play to some Don Cab stuff but I couldn't keep up. I always played to Tortoise and Shipping News and Slint.
I always tried to emulate Damon Che but I could never do it because I had no double bass pedal.
I'm starting to play more guitar now.
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Post by egeogrgfngoi on Jan 7, 2004 16:29:02 GMT
I would recommend using Yamaha hardware and pedals. I have their DFP880 double pedal that's crucially fast. Yamaha has introduced a new pedal design so you can get the DFP880 at guitar center or online for pretty cheap. Anyways I have an 8pc. yamaha maple custom set with Zildjian K ride and the rest Sabian AA. Using 5B Firth and remo ambassador coated. Metrophones are tight, but somehow the water in mine has dried and its become very uncomfortable so watch out for that. I think Damon uses these ridiculous sticks that dont taper and have no tip. Its like playing drums with tree branches. I have no idea how he gets them to bounce on the head. Just practice and maybe one day you can play the beat at the end of lets face it pal.
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Post by brikelly on Jan 7, 2004 23:34:39 GMT
I would recommend using Yamaha hardware and pedals. I have their DFP880 double pedal that's crucially fast. Yamaha has introduced a new pedal design so you can get the DFP880 at guitar center or online for pretty cheap. Sweet! Thanks for the recommendation. Actually, I just found this upcoming Yamaha on Musician's Friend: www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=040107151424064119131067408922/g=perc/search/detail/base_pid/449282/What do you think? $550 value going for $250, but it won't be released for a few weeks yet...it's not even listed on Yamaha's website yet!! It's verrry tempting...
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Post by grhurgjdhag on Jan 9, 2004 18:45:23 GMT
yea you should definitely pick that one up, i guarantee you wont be dissapointed, btw check out yahoo shopping. just plug in the product name in the search field and it brings up many retailers so you can find cheapest price. If it's still too steep for your budget try ebay. I have first hand experience with yamaha hardware and i can say it is hella durable, not to mention fast as hell. also check www.samedaymusic.com, they have user reviews for most everything they sell. i would also suggest playing to american don, itll greatly improve your groove and ambidexterity. watch out on peter criss, they speed up a lot. they obviously werent playing to a click. good luck
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Post by noahchicago on Jan 12, 2004 1:54:43 GMT
Hey Brikelly, my 2 cents: tuning drums is a process of learning not only how to tune, but also what you want the drums to sound like. I'm a tech for "a living" and sometimes I'm astounded at what people think sounds good or bad. I would add that spending time taking heads on and off and really experimenting with what the shells can do tonally is important. A 10" tom will never give you a Dale Crover tom sound. Damon Che hits hard as fuck but plays single ply heads that don't dent much- due to the fact that he is wristy and not beating down with his whole arm. Power toms will sound best with a little give to the top head and the bottom head tuned up a little tighter than the top. I like to take the top head off and listen to the bottom for a while before the new top head goes on. In no time you will know what your shells can give you. I would never advocate "cranking" a head unless your kit had a timbale or a very small (12" or less in diameter) snare.
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Post by chad on Jan 12, 2004 4:07:42 GMT
living room music-by john cage
i'm so pleased that its possible for there to be proffesional drum techs to solve the really important problems in the world. what would we do without them?
you fucking tools. you should all try making your own drums, use your imagination. jeeezus. its like you fucking mordernized bastards have ignored 10s of thousands of years of musical history. you listen to some pretty esoteric, improvizational polyrythmic music, and you still end up thinking inside the box. you don't get music if you're still debating what gear to buy. not that i dont know about music equipment, but i'm saying that that dude playing a plastic bucket in the subway station would still kick all your asses...............fo real.
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Post by ICEMAN on Jan 12, 2004 14:49:02 GMT
Once again we have to all be like Chad. Sorry Chad...just remember not everyone is like you. Yeah, you can say we are stupid because we are not original. But there is nothing original at all anymore so please don't say we are "tools" as you put it. Because I don't think anyone on this board is like you. We can all be our own person can't we...I guess not according to Chad.
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Post by dfdsdadsfsfsdaf on Jan 12, 2004 16:05:56 GMT
chad=gayfag
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Post by brikelly on Jan 12, 2004 18:49:58 GMT
i'm so pleased that its possible for there to be proffesional drum techs to solve the really important problems in the world. what would we do without them? you fucking tools. you should all try making your own drums, use your imagination. jeeezus. its like you fucking mordernized bastards have ignored 10s of thousands of years of musical history. you listen to some pretty esoteric, improvizational polyrythmic music, and you still end up thinking inside the box. you don't get music if you're still debating what gear to buy. not that i dont know about music equipment, but i'm saying that that dude playing a plastic bucket in the subway station would still kick all your asses...............fo real. Chad, I'm *this* close to banning your IP. If you've nothing to contribute to a topic except childish abuse, then don't bother. Brian
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Post by chad on Jan 13, 2004 5:13:46 GMT
nah, hahahaha....... i'm just down with promoting non-mediocrity. no, its like with "art", i think the "greatest" minds can solve a problem or create complexity as well as an individual style and aesthetic with anything they have to work with. what i'm saying is that limitation breeds invention and creativity...truthfully i think industry "standards" and "proffessional" methods of making music stifle its possibilities. i think that also comes across in popular music especially. what i'm saying is that demon che would still rip some shit up in a junkyard with some sticks too. that would definitely draw my personal attention. but thats fine... i'm not a drummer anyway. hahaha.
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Post by frozin on Jan 16, 2004 4:10:19 GMT
Hey, I'm new but I've been browsing the boards for a long time now. I've been playing for about 12 years and have a whole pile of equipment. My kit in my studio is a Conaway kit which I had built up to my personal demands. The sizes are 8x8, 10x10, 12x12, 14x16, 16x18 and 24x18. My main snare is a Brass 14x6.5 with diecast hoops. My aux snare is a Craviotto solid shell 14x5.5 that my friend had built for him a couple years ago and I snagged it off him for cheap when he quit playing. I've got a ton of cymbals which are mostly Paiste signatures but I also have some Sabians which I am slowly replacing. At the practice space I have a Pearl Masters BRX with 10x9, 12x10, 14x12, 16x16 and 22x18. I'm using a DW workshop series snare with that kit. I use my paiste hi hats there right now and some old sabians that are cracking ever so slowly. I use a variaty of sticks, mostly pro mark 747's but the 777's are my new found favourites for now. Evans G2 clear batter heads on all the tom's, EMAD on the bass drums and G1's on the tom resonants. I use axis double pedals but I'm going to be switching to pearl eliminators soon. They're amazingly good pedals and they don't break the bank for a top of the line pedal either. I also have a roland v-studio kit which I usually incorporate into my studio setup but my friend has been borrowing it for awhile because he can't have a kit in his apartment. For tuning help I really suggest this link: www.drumweb.com/profsound.shtml It's helped me out a lot in the past. Some of my favorite don cab tunes to play along to include "the peter criss jazz" (definitely one of my fav. grooves to jam on too) "let's face it pal..." , "don cab 3" (another fav. groove), "delivering the groceries..." , and "got a mile..." I must add that I can't play them amazingly well or anything, of course! I know a lot of the grooves from for respect and 2 but I've never put it all together, however I plan to work on a lot of this stuff as I have intention on covering a few tracks down the road. here's a couple pictures of my kits for you, here's my pearl set up at home with some extra stuff. Right now I have it set up pretty much the same as Che, minus the roto tom and aux snare. www.starsurvivor.net/equip/pearl/gigger/righthigh.jpgAnd here's my huge mess of stuff. A few things have changed, mostly replaced cymbals. www.starsurvivor.net/equip/sept03/conawayleftsmall.jpgOh, and I'd never take the big kit out of the house, it's just my at home mess of fun. I'm just a gear head I usually gig as minimal as possible for the music I'm playing. -brian
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Post by brikelly on Jan 16, 2004 19:37:10 GMT
Sweet Brian, thanks for the pics and tuning info - and welcome to the board too! Seeing as you mentioned V-Drums - when I first moved to Boston, I was renting in a 2-family house, so acoustic drums weren't an option. Instead I bought a Roland TD-8 and pads, and I tell ya it was great. It wasn't perfect, but the samples were pretty good and it was very easy to mix in a CD and play along to it, with minimal disturbance to the outsiders that wouldn't appreciate drumming at 1am. If anyone's interested, you can probably pick one up for about a grand. A fairly pricey kit, but it's worth it if you can't make too much noise
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Post by frozin on Jan 17, 2004 4:18:27 GMT
My pleasure.
I've got the Td-8 as well and it's not too shabby. I use it mostly for obscure sounds but when I am compelled to use it as a normal kit it does the trick quite well. Those rubber pads are a workout though!
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Post by ShawnPhase on Jan 26, 2004 23:33:44 GMT
my .02
i play drums in a band called cex (maybe you'ev heard of us?) in which i use a roland SPD-20 perc pad, with dw triggers on the snare and kick. typical sounds not apply, i use two patches to usually make up most of the hits on them, theres mp3s on my page if anyones interested to hear.
for actual drums, i use a tama kit, late 70's, with a 22'' kick, 13'' mounted tom, 15'' floor. i use a 12'' tama piccolo snare. for cymvbals i use a 16'' zildjian k dark crash, an 18'' sabian china type, and 13'' zildjian k hats. gilbraltar throne, and for sticks i use either vic firth alec acuna timbale sticks (the ugly purple ones), or regal tip quantum 9000's. ride cymbals need not apply, hehe
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